OK, now I'm really upset!

[artarmon42]

Oooooh, I'm mad at Mystickcal! :mad:

I finally setup a Dating affiliate site, and it makes WAAAAAAAAY more money than Ringtones! :eek:

If he'd originally taught me affiliate marketing using Dating (instead of Ringtones), I'd have made much more money by now :D

Luckily for Mystickcal, I'm forever indebted to him for teaching me the techniques that have changed my life. So, I can never get mad at him ;)

[shaka]

Oooooh, I'm mad at Mystickcal! :mad:

I finally setup a Dating affiliate site, and it makes WAAAAAAAAY more money than Ringtones! :eek:

If he'd originally taught me affiliate marketing using Dating (instead of Ringtones), I'd have made much more money by now :D

Luckily for Mystickcal, I'm forever indebted to him for teaching me the techniques that have changed my life. So, I can never get mad at him ;)

sweet dude...... :D

it doesn't looks so good for me with ringtones

btw do you have like 10k+ of keywords for you dating campaign?

[artarmon42]

btw do you have like 10k+ of keywords for you dating campaign?

I have ~35k keywords in my ringtones campaign, and ~50k keywords in my dating campaign.

Dating is so much easier to sell (it's free... and everyone loves free!).

I think I'm going to break the $1,000 revenue mark (for the month of April!) tonight. 7 days into April. 18 days since I learnt to do affiliate sales. This rocks!

[shaka]

I have ~35k keywords in my ringtones campaign, and ~50k keywords in my dating campaign.

Dating is so much easier to sell (it's free... and everyone loves free!).

I think I'm going to break the $1,000 revenue mark (for the month of April!) tonight. 7 days into April. 18 days since I learnt to do affiliate sales. This rocks!

A quick question:

I'm having trouble with keeping my keywords decline with my ringtones campaign. Are you randomly putting "dating" keywords in your dating campaign and if so how do you keep them from being declined?

Sorry if im asking so much questions...but this seems to be the problem im having running my own campaign.....

Thanks in advance :cool:

[SUP3RNOVA]

Congrats man, glad to hear you doing so well :).

You promoting the new True offer?

[artarmon42]

Keywords get declined, because you don't have "matching" topics on your LP.
To stop the editorial removal of keywords, you need to have a good LP with lots of relevant topics.

For example, when I first started doing this, Yahoo kept deleting totally relevant keywords (such as "mp3 ringtones"). When I figured out that I should probably mention "mp3" somewhere on my LP, they stopped deleting those keywords.

It's not about spamming "ringtones" on your LP.
It's about putting "other" major keywords in your LP to make them relevant.

[artarmon42]

Congrats man, glad to hear you doing so well :).

You promoting the new True offer?

Thanks!
And yup, the Azoogle True offers rock.

[shaka]

Keywords get declined, because you don't have "matching" topics on your LP.
To stop the editorial removal of keywords, you need to have a good LP with lots of relevant topics.

For example, when I first started doing this, Yahoo kept deleting totally relevant keywords (such as "mp3 ringtones"). When I figured out that I should probably mention "mp3" somewhere on my LP, they stopped deleting those keywords.

It's not about spamming "ringtones" on your LP.
It's about putting "other" major keywords in your LP to make them relevant.

ah thanks for the tip dude!

[mystickcal]

You seriously almost gave me a heart attack... lol Glad to hear you are doing so well :)

[artarmon42]

You seriously almost gave me a heart attack... lol Glad to hear you are doing so well :)

Heh, I was wondering what your reaction would be :D

From your original 10 students, did those who did dating make more money/ROI?

Maybe it's because I know more now, but I'm estimating Dating to have ROI well over 300% (whereas Ringtones seem to average slightly below 200%).

[mystickcal]

Heh, I was wondering what your reaction would be :D

From your original 10 students, did those who did dating make more money/ROI?

Maybe it's because I know more now, but I'm estimating Dating to have ROI well over 300% (whereas Ringtones seem to average slightly below 200%).

You can get ringtones over 200% ROI, just takes time and work and testing, out of the first 10 the two that did dating one did extremely well like you are saying and the other okay saw about 200% ROI on dating.

[SUP3RNOVA]

Heh, I was wondering what your reaction would be :D

From your original 10 students, did those who did dating make more money/ROI?

Maybe it's because I know more now, but I'm estimating Dating to have ROI well over 300% (whereas Ringtones seem to average slightly below 200%).

Yeah ringtones can be tweaked out to hit pretty well, I personally usually see about 700% ROI with ringtones, and I'm not big on dating yet but I see about 400% with that.

[doomgmc]

Good stuff! :)

Which offer are you doing? 1855?

[artarmon42]

Which offer are you doing? 1855?

For the ringtones, yup.

[mystickcal]

For the ringtones, yup.

its 1885 not 1855 :)

[artarmon42]

D'oh dyslexia strikes again ;)

[shotsix]

Which Azoogle dating offer is ideal? the True.com #4389?

[m0rtal]

artarman, I'm just wondering if those 35k keywords are split up into each niche, eg. christian, asian, black or do you have all the keywords just running to the same landing page mixed up in the adgroups? Thanks :)

[doomgmc]

For the ringtones, yup.

You mean for True...1855 :)

[m0rtal]

You mean for True...1855 :)

Think he meant 1885 which is the dada for ringtones.

[doomgmc]

Think he meant 1885 which is the dada for ringtones.


oh ok, their both similar.

1885 for ringtones
1855 for true.

I was asking if he was using 1855 for his dating campaign

[artarmon42]

Wow, I generated quite a stir :)

I meant 1885 for dada (ringtones), which I thought was what the original question was about.

For dating, I'm using: 4389 (general), 4045 (christian), 4043 (african-american), 4041 (asian), 4042 (hispanic), 1035 (30+).

Oh, and I broke $1k for April on the 7th day of the month. Woohoo!

[artarmon42]

artarman, I'm just wondering if those 35k keywords are split up into each niche, eg. christian, asian, black or do you have all the keywords just running to the same landing page mixed up in the adgroups? Thanks :)

I don't sort the keywords.

I have about 850 keywords per adgroup (well I actually throw around 1,000 in but Yahoo automatically blows away duplicates).

I also have 20 ads for each and every adgroup. Around 15 are "generic" ads ("find your perfect match"), and 5 are specifics (asian, christian, etc).

[Tom]

Are you using YSM? are you using adwords?

[Tom]

For dating, I'm using: 4389 (general), 4045 (christian), 4043 (african-american), 4041 (asian), 4042 (hispanic), 1035 (30+).

The only one that works for me is the 1035. I cant seem to find the other ones.

[m0rtal]

I don't sort the keywords.

I have about 850 keywords per adgroup (well I actually throw around 1,000 in but Yahoo automatically blows away duplicates).

I also have 20 ads for each and every adgroup. Around 15 are "generic" ads ("find your perfect match"), and 5 are specifics (asian, christian, etc).

Thanks, I take it since you have 35k you must have 2 campaigns set up?

[shotsix]

Wow, I generated quite a stir :)

I meant 1885 for dada (ringtones), which I thought was what the original question was about.

For dating, I'm using: 4389 (general), 4045 (christian), 4043 (african-american), 4041 (asian), 4042 (hispanic), 1035 (30+).

Oh, and I broke $1k for April on the 7th day of the month. Woohoo!

Very, nice... congrats on the success!

Which of those offers are you seeing the best conversion rate?

[artarmon42]

Are you using YSM? are you using adwords?

YSM.

I'm not doing anything special guys...
Just following Mystickcal's instructions.
Why play around with the system when it works perfectly fine :)

If you need a detailed step-by-step, check out my post on DP:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2753162&postcount=27
(please post a nice comment on that thread if you find it useful)

[artarmon42]

The only one that works for me is the 1035. I cant seem to find the other ones.

I'm not sure if this link will work, but here's the one for 4389:
https://login.azoogleads.com/affiliate/offer/display_detailed_offer?offer_id=4389

[artarmon42]

Thanks, I take it since you have 35k you must have 2 campaigns set up?

Nope, just 1 campaign.
Because I don't sort/group the keywords, there's no reason not to just dump everything into 1 campaign...

[artarmon42]

Very, nice... congrats on the success!

Which of those offers are you seeing the best conversion rate?

Thanks!

It's just been 1 day so there really hasn't been enough of a sampling.
But if you really want an answer from the limited data that I have right now, I'd say 1035 (30+ dating)... it also pays the most :)

[m0rtal]

Nope, just 1 campaign.
Because I don't sort/group the keywords, there's no reason not to just dump everything into 1 campaign...

Erhm what I meant was if you have 50k keywords, you can only have 20 ad groups with 1k each that's only 20k...but i'm thinking you might be doing adwords?

[artarmon42]

Erhm what I meant was if you have 50k keywords, you can only have 20 ad groups with 1k each that's only 20k...but i'm thinking you might be doing adwords?

20 adgroups?! I think you might be getting confused.
The "20" number comes from "20 ads per adgroup".

Not sure how many adgroups you can have, but I've already gotten to adgroup 65 in my ringtones campaign.

The other limit is 50,000 keywords per campaign.
So once you like 50k keywords, you get to open another YSM account (and get another $100 free credit LOL).

[m0rtal]

20 adgroups?! I think you might be getting confused.
The "20" number comes from "20 ads per adgroup".

Not sure how many adgroups you can have, but I've already gotten to adgroup 65 in my ringtones campaign.

The other limit is 50,000 keywords per campaign.
So once you like 50k keywords, you get to open another YSM account (and get another $100 free credit LOL).

Ahhh yes, thanks for deconfusing me :D

The 20 limit is actually on campaigns..

[m0rtal]

artarman - I'm curious if your keywords all contain "dating, singles, meet, love, sex, etc." or if you have some rather less related keywords in there?

Sorry I'm really picking your brain now :p

[artarmon42]

artarman - I'm curious if your keywords all contain "dating, singles, meet, love, sex, etc." or if you have some rather less related keywords in there?

Sorry I'm really picking your brain now :p

No idea! :D

I use Keyword Companion (if you want to buy it, I'll send you my affiliate link and we can split the commission). In addition to all the cool features like duplicate deletion, keyword grouping, etc, it has a Keyword Research function which pulls tens-of-thousands of keywords at a time. Obviously, based on the my results, the keywords it pulls work well enough ;)

I signed up for Wordtracker, but cancelled my membership because Keyword Companion did a better job IMHO.

[m0rtal]

No idea! :D

I use Keyword Companion (if you want to buy it, I'll send you my affiliate link and we can split the commission). In addition to all the cool features like duplicate deletion, keyword grouping, etc, it has a Keyword Research function which pulls tens-of-thousands of keywords at a time. Obviously, based on the my results, the keywords it pulls work well enough ;)

I signed up for Wordtracker, but cancelled my membership because Keyword Companion did a better job IMHO.

Well I have Keyword Elite, I wonder how they stack up against each other?
It's pretty powerful as well but it seems I can't generate nearly as many keywords as you're speaking of that contain "ringtone" or "dating" for example.

I mean it just generated close to 30k for "dating" but there are a bunch that are totally unrelated or just one word that don't mean much. WHen I narrow it down to only "dating" "singles" "meet" "personals" I only get about 10k.

[shaka]

what would be a good keyword list organizer to use for a big list?

[shotsix]

artarmon42, how many articles are you using for your dating landing page? How long is each one?

Thanks!

[artarmon42]

artarmon42, how many articles are you using for your dating landing page? How long is each one?

Thanks!

Well I spent alot of time on the dating articles...
I have 5, each 300+ words (I think the main one is over 1000 words).

I can tell you my quality score is pretty good (at least 3 bars, most are 4 bars).

But I can also tell you, no one actually reads them. I know that because I've got crazy PHP tracking codes all over my site... I know if you pick your nose while you're on my LP LOL.

[shotsix]

Well I spent alot of time on the dating articles...
I have 5, each 300+ words (I think the main one is over 1000 words).

I can tell you my quality score is pretty good (at least 3 bars, most are 4 bars).

But I can also tell you, no one actually reads them. I know that because I've got crazy PHP tracking codes all over my site... I know if you pick your nose while you're on my LP LOL.


So 5 articles? that's not bad. I thought maybe you would have needed more with all those keywords to get a 3-bar score. How are you deciding which keywords in your adgroups to use on your landing pages? With your 50k+ keyword list it seems it would be difficult to incorporate the majority of the keywords in your articles.

Thanks for the info, artarmon42... much appreciated!

[artarmon42]

I don't group keywords for YSM.
And all my adgroups have the same 20 ads.

[AffiliateMafia]

How many adgroups you have and how many keywords each adgroup have artarmon... Can i have same keywords in each adgroup.. :(

[artarmon42]

How many adgroups you have and how many keywords each adgroup have artarmon... Can i have same keywords in each adgroup.. :(

For ringtones I've got about 65 adgroups now.
When I cut-and-paste keywords into adgroups, I put about 1,000 in.
But by the time YSM deletes my duplicates, each adgroup ends up with 800-900. And by the time YSM finishes removing totally relevant keywords for "editorial reasons", I end up with ~700 :mad:

You cant have same keywords in the same adgroup (e.g. "ring tone" and "tone ring" are considered duplicates).

My keyword tool removes exact duplicates (and sorts them alphabetically). So I have never tried putting duplicate keywords in different adgroups.

[Tom]

I would have to agree with your initial post. I started on ringtones and I am still struggling with them. I set up dating about 5 days ago and that has been doing very well. I set up vistaprint last night and that has made ~$25 in about a half day.

[m0rtal]

I would have to agree with your initial post. I started on ringtones and I am still struggling with them. I set up dating about 5 days ago and that has been doing very well. I set up vistaprint last night and that has made ~$25 in about a half day.

Ditto, Ringtones been slow for me too, started up dating yesterday and got a few leads already, we'll see how today goes. Wondering what you guys are bidding on the dating keywords?

[Tom]

10 cents per click. I started up an entirely new yahoo account specifically for dating. I made one ad group with one keyword and 20 ads, and copied that 50 times. Now whenever I want to ad more keywords, I just go in and past 500 at a time. I can get 10k additional keywords up in about 10-15 minutes now.

I range anywhere from making 50 bucks to losing 5 bucks a day with dating. Typically I am closer to the "making 50 bucks" side of things...

[artarmon42]

Dating and ringtones are both working well for me.

Maybe it's my obsessive-compulsive nature, or maybe it's because I'm on a high-latency link from Australia. But I'm spending all this time tuning those 2 campaigns (even though they're now making a profit on their own)... I want to get into another niche, but I just can't tear myself away from optimizing even more. Help? I think I need a psychologist LOL

Anyone want to recommend me another killer niche?

[Tom]

I started Vista Print yesterday. So far it has made me a profit.

[peteowen]

Hi Guys

Useful info in this thread - saved me loads of time setting up for dating. Artarmon42 - thanks for listing the offers you use by number. Do you use 4000 for local and special? You covered all the other bases.

[volknet]

Dating and ringtones are both working well for me.

Maybe it's my obsessive-compulsive nature, or maybe it's because I'm on a high-latency link from Australia. But I'm spending all this time tuning those 2 campaigns (even though they're now making a profit on their own)... I want to get into another niche, but I just can't tear myself away from optimizing even more. Help? I think I need a psychologist LOL

Anyone want to recommend me another killer niche?

Hahahaha. I know what you mean. It's hard to tear myself away from trying to increase my ROI even more. ;)

[mystickcal]

I personally recommend getting about 5 different niches going okay and then work on starting to increase the roi's of them and stuff.

[volknet]

Working on 4 niches currently :D

1 - up and running with 200% ROI on a low day (yesterday it hit close to 300%)
1 - all is done except inserting keywords (doing that now... :D)
1 - just need to finish the landing page / insert keywords. :)
1 - going to buy a landing page... keywords already found.

[artarmon42]

Artarmon42 - thanks for listing the offers you use by number. Do you use 4000 for local and special? You covered all the other bases.

I don't use 4000 at all.

4389 is the "generic" one :)

[peteowen]

Thanks, but I can't find 4389? 4000 is true.com search only, I can't see anything more suitable?

[Tom]

I guess 4389 is having problems, you are supposed to use 4000 for now

[artarmon42]

Yup, spoke with my AM (after I found out from CC).
She confirmed that they're removing 4389, and switching to 4000 now will avoid problems later.

[volknet]

Helpful info... thanks.